Problem with link teams

[Angron]

Can someone tell me what the heck is the problem with link teams? They seem pretty similar to me what am I missing?

[kelreth]

Where are problems being reported?

The FAQ only changes a few things.

[Angron]

People on the forums are freaking out, but I don't see why.

[kelreth]

infinitytheforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/27235-fireteams-movement-labeled-entire-orders-what-does-the-community-think/

The argument revolves around this:

UNDER 3RD ED RULES, ARE FIRETEAMS RESTRICTED
TO A LIMITED SET OF POSSIBLE ORDERS?
They are. In 3rd Ed, Fireteams cannot declare any Entire Order
Skill without the Movement Label. Should a member of a
Fireteam declare an Entire Order Skill without the Movement
Label (such as Speculative Fire), he abandons the Fireteam.
For example, a member of a Fireteam could declare Jump or
Climb without abandoning his Fireteam, but declaring Intuitive
Attack or Suppressive Fire would automatically cause him to
act outside the Fireteam.

"This means that if a model uses any of the following Entire Orders it is ejected from any Fireteam it's a member of: Lean Out, Intuitive Attack, Regeneration, Sat-Lock, Scavenger, Speculative Fire, Suppresive Fire, Sensor: Triangulated Fire, Controlled Jump (Supportware) and Fairy Dust (Supportware)."

It looks like they are complaining that they can't get their cake and eat it too.

I'm not opposed to the rule. It reduces the amount of silly that could happen.

though it does get weird with the next FAQ

WITH 3RD ED RULES, CAN THE PLAYERS
APPLY THE BURST BONUS PROVIDED BY THE
FIRETEAMS TO ANY KIND OF ATTACKS?
No, in 3rd Edition, players can only apply the Burst Bonus to
Ballistic Attacks (Short Skill/ ARO).

If a linkteam member can't Spec shot w/o leaving the link why does that FAQ exist?

[insanebishop]

Close combat. More specifically samurai.

[Kailaria]

Also Short Skill Hacking programs, since they have Burst values now, too.

[Angron]

So they're just being the usual forumites, just seemed to me if you wanted to do any of the things listed by Kelreth you would do them with anyone other than the leader. Then when you spent another order on the team bring that model back in. Like it was last edition.
The cc thing makes sense, they'd be too good otherwise.

[kelreth]

It costs a Command Token to bring a unit into a Link Team / make a Link Team. So a player could do it but only on 4 times and they wouldn't benefit from the link team bonus which is what seems to really be the problem for the complainers.

[Angron]

UNDER 3RD ED RULES, CAN I STILL USE THE SPECIAL LIEUTENANT ORDER TO REINSTATE OR CREATE A FIRETEAM BY APPOINTING A NEW TEAM LEADER? No, you can’t. Command Tokens now serve that role. In 3rd Ed, you may expend one Command Token to appoint a Team Leader, effectively repairing a broken link or creating a new Fireteam



That's only if the is broken. A model falling out of the link, unless it's the leader or brings the teams number to two, doesn't break the link. So no command token is required.

[kelreth]

Sorry, to reintegrate the model you have to use a command token I thought.

[Angron]

Everything that isn't changed in the FAQ PDF stays the same.

I guess I can see tohaa players bitching cuz they'll have to reform teams more and can only do it 4 times, but they can start with a bunch of them.

[jmeis982]

....In ITS in 2nd you could only reform 3 times.....

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[Angron]

So ya wtf?

[kelreth]

People like to whine?

seriously I'm annoying with things and the forum is tedious for me

[lsl]

I finally used all my tokens on Saturday, all on reforming links. Whoopidy-doo, I have to change my Tohaa playstyle... Instead of 9/1 in 3 tridents I am already moving to 6/4 in 2 tridents and changing out the makeup of the list, using more independent impetuous and extremely impetuous models and tightening up my tridents for function.