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Post by lsl on Nov 2, 2014 13:09:07 GMT -6
Was working on one of the other terrain ideas people brought up while I had some time this weekend. The idea is based getting the most out of every sheet of 12x24 mdf used. To this end I was looking at 4x4x4 cube units interlocked on a 5/32 grid system, so I can add sliding doors system between the units and stack the boxes in various patterns. Interiors would be detailed by laser engraving and addition of 1/16 engraved acrylic detailing. Exterior windows/curtainwalls would be of 1/16 cut/engraved acrylic. The 4x cube layout would be broken up by occasional 1/2 stories in the 4x cubes and the addition of 6x6x6 cubes. Further details would include signs, stairs, various structural add-ons to punch the façade in and out. At the ends of "city blocks" created with the 4x/6x cubes detailed cut and engraved pieces could also be added for additional detail.
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Post by lsl on Nov 2, 2014 13:14:27 GMT -6
Of course this is all based on the density of neoTokyo from Akira and its grandaddy Kowloon. |
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Post by lsl on Nov 2, 2014 13:19:00 GMT -6
Other than the model.pdf to see some of this you have to wrap boxes in your head from pieces in the above attachments. Admittedly this is a bit hard, since I have thrown extra pieces to use all available space in the attachments... but that aside the reason I am putting this out it to get feedback of the level of detail and looking for any ideas for interior or exterior details to add.
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Post by Angron on Nov 3, 2014 6:15:07 GMT -6
Looks cool. Which images are the backs, the ones with the doors?
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Post by lsl on Nov 5, 2014 9:21:20 GMT -6
Good point... hadn't worked on backs yet.
Process was;
1) idea, get as much out of a 12x24 mdf sheet as possible, because at an estimate of $10-12 a sheet and about 1.5 that for 1/16 acrylic cut, it added up quick
2) divide sheets to 4x4 and 6x6 grids
3) get the bare minimum for a module, to me this meant floor, 2 walls and a roof. This is ths basis of the first sheet (template 4x4), which gets 4 sets of floor, walls, roof in 16 of the 18 modules then uses the extra spaces to detail out a half story ( pushed so it has a balcony outside) and some connectors.
So the bare minimum makes a kind of unfinished concrete slab/box construction but lacks varability and, to me, interest.
4) This is when I added template 6x6, which gets 2 sets of floor walls roof and ads some varibility to the facade, however as these were big enough to have a half story and I couldn't get them to match up with the 4 cubes...
5) i made template 5, 2 sets of half story baloconies and parts fot a stair tower
At this pointthe model still looked a bit plain
6) so i made templates 2,3; facade add-ons for the front face of the buildins, along with parts to make movable doors between units 4 cubes, 6 cubes, and stairs as well as an alternate stair face, so stacks of 4 cubes can be connected.
Ideally the parts from one set of templates 2,3 covers and half stories cover 14 of the 4 cubes, and the acylic details (not shown) gets 2 more along with the 6 cubes.
What does all this mean?
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Post by lsl on Nov 5, 2014 9:30:33 GMT -6
1) Backs are still open, playable for room clearing events at present.
2) The cost for 16 of the 4 cube, 2 of the 6 cube, stairs and acrylic detals for all rounds out just around $115 ,but should cover an area of approx 29 long x 4 min to 9 max deep, x 12.5 tall with one extra 4 cube stuck on the roof at its densest pack. A little rearrangement and gluing of stuctures together to leave a few holes and it could easily make 33 long.
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Post by lsl on Nov 5, 2014 9:33:53 GMT -6
Back pieces to enclose these could easily be added, as 1 12x24 would make enoug to cover all backs of 16 4 cubes for only about 12 bucks more of materials and cutting
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Post by lsl on Nov 5, 2014 9:37:27 GMT -6
OK, enough expounding. But, I guess I am also looking foor feedback on size for cost at this point. Is this worth pursuing, or should I stop and try again?
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Post by Angron on Nov 5, 2014 12:31:38 GMT -6
12" is too tall.
As for cost. How many MAS apartments would it take to get the same footprint? I'm at work so I can't figure it out. That'll get you a retail starting cost.
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Post by lsl on Nov 6, 2014 6:37:09 GMT -6
Easy enough to fix, since they are interlocking 4" cubes. MAS apts are 8Lx4Wx8 tall for ~$35' , so $185 for same density sans shipping.
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Post by Angron on Nov 6, 2014 6:46:16 GMT -6
Set consists of: 3 storeys
Length of the building 20cm /8 inches
Width of the building 11cm / 4 inches
Height of single floor 6cm/ 2,4 inches
Overall height 19,5cm/ 7,6 inches
That's the dimensions is a MAS apartment and they're $36 at miniature market. So figuring on a similar height playability, 3 floors and only focusing on footprint. That's about $0.89 a square inch.
What your proposing is about $1 per square inch. What you're proposing is taller and has acrylic so that accounts for some of the extra cost.
My recommendation would be to bring your design in line with the scale of the MAS stuff. That may save you some material for other detail or something for the backs. With the added benefit of it potentially lining up with their walkways.
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Post by lsl on Nov 6, 2014 7:29:05 GMT -6
OK, but if I drop to 8 tall for parity with MAS my footprint expands to 4x4x8 units +a 6x6 + a2x4 stair, at the cost quoted cost with backs I drop to .74
Just did the calcs on total floor area of that giving MAS 3 story and roof, so 4x8x4 story x 5 of thier units to match up with my current design, based on prices both run right at .15/sq in
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Post by lsl on Nov 6, 2014 7:33:31 GMT -6
so the end result is parity at best, no need to go further
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Post by Angron on Nov 9, 2014 9:17:19 GMT -6
Your designs do look more modern and cool.
Price parity is a good thing. If you're going to spend x dollars it should be something you like aesthetically and it's reassuring to know that you're getting the same terrain bang for the buck.
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Post by lsl on Nov 14, 2014 14:19:09 GMT -6
..Sorry, Lost track of this conversation in the excitement of receiving giant sized big backdrop terrain.
I will have to admit that I was hoping to do better than parity... but maybe I should start using the public library as they are cheap, looking like it works out to about 4 buck a sheet above mdf price for my test sheet... So approx. $8 a sheet instead of $12, just takes a shitload of time.
Agree wholeheartedly on the point of making these interconnectable with MA terrain, especially since there is a lot of it around already. Checked the heights on MA and could restart this with their module, or could do a series of adapter pieces as well...
This aside, the only downside from my standpoint on MA is that I have a hard time getting more than one level accessible in their stuff at any given time. Part of the density was trying to counter this by going another route by making accessible from always open backs as opposed to top down to get the ability have access for my giant-puppy-meat-paws, hence 4x4x4. However, the counter to this is how often in a 30 order/3 turn game do we have time to do much inside anyway.
Have time to think about what direction to go with this right now as I am in the throws of big terrain assembly. |
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